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Do you think that The Citadel will come under pressure to rename the stadium because it is named after a confederate general? I sure do. Maybe battle streamers and Big Red too.
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I’ve thought about Big Red. Maybe it will happen but I feel like it is solely tied to the school and would be viewed as benign. It wasn’t used in an official capacity by the Confederacy like multiple other flags.

If it does happen just change the shade from red to Citadel blue and call it a day.
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1. Stadium name change - I say HELL NO!!!

2.  Big Red:  Outside of The Citadel and a few others, no one knows anything about it.  Sure, when it was found in the  Iowa museum a few years ago, and then the restoration and it's adoption by The Citadel there was some media coverage, BUT - once the general public or some "special interest group" or the MSM gets wind of the history - watch out - there will be a movement to ban it, just like everything else associated with Confederate history.

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And I’d imagine there’s probably already some discussion amongst folks about changing the name of the stadium.

I know most here have a solid grasp of historical events but Hagood was the Confederate General who defeated the all black 54th Massachusetts at the second battle of Fort Wagner (think the movie “Glory”). He viewed them all as runaway slaves and buried COL Shaw with all of his black soldiers in a mass grave.

I can’t speak for our black cadet athletes who play football but that would feel very strange to play in a stadium named after someone who did that.
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We need to be careful or there could be a movement to rename numerous locations on campus and that would effectively destroy our entire history:

Capers Hall: Named for Ellison Capers, an 1857 graduate who became a Civil War general, and his brother, Francis Withers Capers, who served as the third superintendent of the college from 1852 to 1859.

Law Barracks (3rd Bn):  Named for Evander M. Law, an 1865 graduate and Civil War general.

Star of the West Monument

Jenkins Hall:  Named Brig. Gen. Micah Jenkins, an officer who served under Gen. Robert E. Lee and an 1854 alumnus who was one of four graduates who attained the rank of general during the Civil War.

WLI Field: Recognizes one of the nation’s oldest militia units—the Washington Light Infantry—which guarded the original campus at Marion Square until 1843 when it turned over the facilities to the first Corps of Cadets on March 20 of that year. The unit was also instrumental in the reopening of the college after the Civil War.





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I understand 81. I think it needs to be a collective discussion involving alum with different perspectives and not something done unilaterally.
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The Board of Vistors needs to get ahead of the stadium name issue.
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Agree.  Not just the stadium, but anything on campus that could be tied to being named something/someone related to the Confederacy.

Remember that controversy a few years back around the "Confederate Naval Jack" flag in Summerall Chapel?

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I saw over the weekend some one suggests one of our Army forts could be renamed after Col. Shaw. Board of Vistors, hello!  
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Lets just pretend history never happened and start from scratch. These idiot protesters even tore apart WW2 memorials.   

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That’s a shame WWII memorials were destroyed. My grandfather served in that War.

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I'm pretty resistant to changing names.  Spent 3 years in Germany, and realized that regardless of the overall goals of the Nazis, that the common German solider (and mind you, I am not talking SS sickos) were the greatest soldiers of their day, until they ran into the sleeping giant that Japan awakened, and their valor and exploits have been made to disappear.  Those were grunts who were told under national will to serve and fight, and they did it extremely well.  Their individual heroism was made a crime, and their country made them disappear as world embarrassments. It's like they never existed and never fought at their brother's sides.  You are hard press to find anything in Germany to prove they were even there.  To reinforce, I am not talking about the war criminals and psychos, but the average German soldier.  I think it a national shame for Germany, and I see it happening here now.  History happened, whether people pretend it didn't.  Men fought bravely on both sides, whether you believe the cause was for/against slavery or whether the ultimate reason was states rights.  The "change everything" people have their day and are ramming down everyone's throats.  If you dare say that you don't necessarily agree with that, well, obviously you must be an ignorant, racist, hater.  Before my fellow sports lovers here damn me waxing far to long on a sensitive subject, I truly understand that there has been/is misjustice, and served over decades in the Army with brothers of all skin shades and beliefs, and loved them all.  I abhor racism, but truly believe that destroying history is a terrible path to follow, and that if the change agents have their way there will be no Washingtons or Jeffersons before it's all over.  
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I’ve learned a bit today. The stadium was actually named by the city of Charleston (they footed the bill for the initial construction of the stadium). It was originally going to be named after then Mayor Thomas Stoney but he declined.
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And I’d imagine there’s probably already some discussion amongst folks about changing the name of the stadium.

I know most here have a solid grasp of historical events but Hagood was the Confederate General who defeated the all black 54th Massachusetts at the second battle of Fort Wagner (think the movie “Glory”). He viewed them all as runaway slaves and buried COL Shaw with all of his black soldiers in a mass grave.

I can’t speak for our black cadet athletes who play football but that would feel very strange to play in a stadium named after someone who did that.


You are correct about Hagood.

When asked about the disposition of Col. Shaw, it was related in polite company that he said Shaw was “buried with his men.” But there are historical accounts that actually quote him as saying, “He is buried with his n*****s.” in response to a query from the Shaw family via military channels. Given his history and other quotes, I’d say that the second quote is probably the accurate one. I have thought for many years that one day the school would have to answer the call to rename the stadium. Some of the buildings bear the names of more benign historical figures in the school’s history, but Johnson Hagood is a lightning rod.

As for Big Red, I’m not sure. I think it is uniquely tied to The Citadel but it also has its roots in the Revolution and the defense of Charleston at Fort Moultrie. Time will tell on that one. I hope we keep it but I’m not opposed to changing the name of the stadium.

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In my previous posts I have not mentioned any details as to why we need to get Gen Hagood's name off the stadium, but now that the cat is out of the bag here goes. If I was a Wofford or Furman coach, I would know the complete history of the 2nd battle of Fort Wagner. The Board of Vistors needs to change the name of the stadium while it is still their decision to make. Petition the City of Charleston if that is a requirement. Otherwise risk a protest rally at our first game if we have one or a rally outside the main gate. Imagine some of our star athletes boycotting. Imagine our home opponents sending us a note saying they can't come. 
Mike Gundy was captured in a photograph wearing a One America News shirt. His star running back is boycotting until changes are made. Other players backed him. Gundy is making changes.
Some of us may be listening to our heart and it may be telling us we do not want history erased. Hopefully, we will act based on what our brain tells us and just maybe all southern history at the Citadel won't be erased. 

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