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Cane_Corso

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It's also worth mentioning that this team is 3-1 in games decided by two possessions or less.  All on the road, all vs. Division 1 opponents.  Some (many?) on here may not want to hear or admit it, but ANYTIME a Citadel team beats another Division 1 program head to head, it's a massive victory.  

This year's team is scrappy hell and I, for one, love watching them fight.  We have a chance to compete in the SoCon.  These coaches are doing A TON OF THINGS RIGHT!!  Watch the bench when we hit a three - these dudes are going CRAZY, cheering for each other and making the game fun.  If the guys didn't believe in the staff, there'd be no energy.  That's just not the case.  
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flyingtiger

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and lets be honest, at almost any other school Baucom would already be history and there wouldn't be any debate. If we keep making excuses it will be another Dennis situation with 15 years of mediocrity and underperforming teams.
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ProudDodDad

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Didn't catch it live so watched the last 8 mins. on replay.

Up 65-52 with 08:00 on the clock, Samford ball...

Samford gets a fortunate 50/50 block/charge call - puts Allen on the line.  Misses both and we shoot ourselves in the foot by stepping in the lane early on the 2nd attempt.  Second shot good.  Dawgs up, 65-53, with 07:56 left.

Live-ball TO vs. their press leads to a driving Sharkey layup.  Citadel leads by 10 (65-55) with 07:35 left.

Self-inflicted wound count: 2.

Rice misses a 3 off a DHO from Tyson.  Thought he got fouled.  Samford clears the rebound.

Sharkey hesitation move going left - converts the hoop and the harm.  Cuts lead to 8 with 06:50 - misses FT.  65-57, Citadel ball.

Rice gets the ball stripped going 1v1 after offense stagnates in the halfcourt.  Samford gets steal.  

SIW's: 3.  

Beautiful press break leads to an open 3 miss by Abee on the other end.  This is how we play - a make there and the lead is back up to four possessions.  

Batiste charge gives ball back to Samford with 05:05 on clock - kid with that much exp. has to see that and make the right play.  Still up 7.  

SIW's?: 4.

Samford makes 1/2 FTs after a rushed runner from Harris goes long.  Dawgs up 6.  

Batiste pushoff gives the ball back to Sam. with 3:31 on the clock and Citadel holding onto a two possession lead.  

SIW's: 5.

Rice buries a 3 late in the clock to put Citadel up NINE with 2:22 left.  

Three ticks later, Samford scores on a runout as their big beats everyone up the floor.  Citadel up 68-61 with 2:19 to play.

SIW's: 6.

Alex Reed misses front end of a 1-and-1 with 2:13 to go. 

SIW's: 7.

Samford knocks down an open 3 from the left wing.  Four point game with 2 min. left.

Citadel gets a crucial stop with 1:20 left.  Abee stripped (?) from behind and Allen converts a layup to cut our lead to 2 with just over a minute to play.  68-66, Citadel.  

Citadel whistled for a tech, somehow, on the scrum.  Sharkey ties game with two made FTs.  

Charge on Reed.

SIW's: 8.

Padgett wins the game from the FT line.  

Yes, we squandered a game we should have won.  But the answers lie on the little mistakes that added up over the last eight mins.  

1.  Lane violation on missed Samford FT.  
2.  Live ball TO vs. their press gives them a layup.
3.  Rice live ball TO.
4.  Batiste charge.
5.  Another Batiste charge.
6.  Not getting back on D after hitting a dagger 3.
7.  Reed misses front end of 1 and 1.
8.  Reed charge.  

Self-inflicted wounds cost us this one.  Let's turn it around in Charleston on Saturday.





You failed to mention the BIGGEST play
Rice Technical
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Air32Ball

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Samford came into game leading the SOCON in rebounding. They only out rebounded us by 4, 41 to 37. Only scoring 27 in second half killed us. Missed opportunity, for sure.
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Biffbomb

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and lets be honest, at almost any other school Baucom would already be history and there wouldn't be any debate. If we keep making excuses it will be another Dennis situation with 15 years of mediocrity and underperforming teams.


Sadly since Dennis it has been down hill.  Sure Conroy had a great year and a good one (his first two were abysmal).  

The one thing I find interesting about DB is that since 1956: George Hill, Norm Sloan, and Duggar are the only coaches to win at least 10 games each season.

So you say 15 years, I say more like a tradition of Mediocrity since 1960 (when Norm Sloan left ... 59 years ...).


Great challenge for any prospective cadet-athletes as to what has yet to be accomplished and the numerous opportunities to be a star and get a quality education.  (Maybe I am wrong in this)




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I thought that Rice technical was stretching it a bit.  As a matter of fact, there were several fouls, including the last one on Samford Coach Padgett's son sealing the game, which were fairly questionable. 

However, if we would have hit more than 3 points in the last 8 minutes the refs would have been a non-factor.
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Les Robinson won at least 10 games in 6 of his last 7 seasons including 18 and 20 win years; Chucky D was clearly hired for his name not his resume. Yes its tough to coach sports at a military school but it obviously can be done, the good coaches can win with the talent they have and know how to motivate. Baucom did much better at VMI which is an even tougher place to coach than the Cid.
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Early in game, one of Samford's players pipe off at an official over a perceived missed call. The official appeared to have warned him instead of giving a technical. Didn't think Rice should of got one from what I saw on TV.
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Early in game, one of Samford's players pipe off at an official over a perceived missed call. The official appeared to have warned him instead of giving a technical. Didn't think Rice should of got one from what I saw on TV.


I thought the same thing but we should have scored more in the 2nd half so I held my tongue.

I am surprised at what the officials took from the Samford players in that first half. It looked pretty rough on tv and looked like the refs may have been intimidated by Padgett. 
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Most of Baucom's tenure at VMI was in Big South which is an inferior basketball conference than SoCon, in.my opinion. Still, since 75-76, VMI has had five, 20 win plus seasons, compared to The Citadel's two. Baucam coached two of those five seasons.
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Les Robinson won at least 10 games in 6 of his last 7 seasons including 18 and 20 win years; Chucky D was clearly hired for his name not his resume. Yes its tough to coach sports at a military school but it obviously can be done, the good coaches can win with the talent they have and know how to motivate. Baucom did much better at VMI which is an even tougher place to coach than the Cid.


When Baucom instituted the "embrace the Pace" style of play at VMI, it was different and innovative, and the college basketball world did not have the plethora of 3 point shooters that they have now. 

Back then, when Baucom put 3-5 players on the floor and all could shoot the 3, other teams could only put 1 or 2 players on the floor that could shoot the 3 as well as his players.

Now, every team has multiple players that can shoot the 3 just a good or better than our players, AND they can do all of the other things (rebound, make FTs, handle the ball, etc).

The rest of the college basketball world has caught up to what Baucom did 10 years ago at VMI.  Need something different for us to succeed.



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good points 81; also the pace of the offense has clearly slowed in recent years, not the run and gun it was originally.
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Cane_Corso

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Most of Baucom's tenure at VMI was in Big South which is an inferior basketball conference than SoCon, in.my opinion. Still, since 75-76, VMI has had five, 20 win plus seasons, compared to The Citadel's two. Baucam coached two of those five seasons.


This quote deserves a deeper dive.  Firstly, I agree that the SOCON is an entirely different beast than the Big South that VMI found itself in for 9 of Baucom's seasons at the helm in Lexington.  

That said, that league was no pushover.  Tough, well-oiled machines from Winthrop (Gregg Marshall led Winthrop teams, no less), UNC-Asheville, and Coastal Carolina could hang around in today's SOCON in given years, IMO.  

The main point to my post is that cadet attendance/support at VMI dwarfed what the DAWGS see in the MAC.  Mandatory Saturday attendance games at VMI were TOUGH for any mid-major to play in Cameron Hall when Duggar was there.  Ask JMU, William & Mary, SOCON division champ Elon, Wright State, a 30-win IPFW team, and I could go on. 

I took in 50+ home games of DB's VMI teams and have seen almost 50 in the Mac since he got to Citadel.  The atmosphere isn't close.  That's not meant as a knock.  If the admin. would guarantee an overnight for attendance to two straight games, would that do it?

Smatterings of progress on this front have been made over the years.  In Year 2 of the Baucom era in Charleston I remember beating a beleaguered, but still very talented Chattanooga team in the Mac with great help from the Corps. 

If somehow we can get that place rockin' - more wins will come. 

Don't know how much outreach the players need to make to the Corps to make it happen but I see them with Santa hats on, gladhanding and kissing babies.  What more can we expect from 18-21 year olds?

Seems like the Corps needs to a full-fledged campaign to attend or wins stacked on top of each other.  Problem is: they're a big part of getting those wins. 

TODAY IS HUUUUUGE!  Western's good, but so are we.  To get out of cellar, back into the conversation in the middle of the pack, etc., with our first D1 home win would be GREAT.  Let's stick with these guys!! 
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I definitely think Coach Baucom and staff are the right fit and would hope that the Corp of Cadets would support this team once they get back from winter furlough.
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Man the Mac was rocking in 09 when we went on that winning streak. It CAN be a very fun place when these apathetic video game wizards decide to leave their rooms. Don’t mistake the attendance for ESP... most of my classmates were not studying during games.
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