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dogfan1987

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As The Citadel, VMI and and the service academies zero in on a small pool of kids that want the military life and football I wanted to share what the service academies have already had verbal to them.

Navy 52 hard commits
Army 50 hard commits
Air Force 32 hard commits


That is the equivalent of 6 signing classes right there. 

That is why it is a knife fight out there.  
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As probably most of you realize most of these will go to the prep school and then a few will be selected to actually play for the college or be on the scout team.  Since everyone at the school is on scholarship there isn't any cost to the athletic dept.  Those that can't cut the academics never start their time in the regular college.
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I understand the monthly stipend kids get at service schools. But if you can get free education at The Citadel, be in Charleston and have four years to think about your post college future,seems like a no brained to me.I guess the prestige of the service schools carries the day.
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I understand the monthly stipend kids get at service schools. But if you can get free education at The Citadel, be in Charleston and have four years to think about your post college future,seems like a no brained to me.I guess the prestige of the service schools carries the day.


Believe that is the biggest selling point on our school right there.  Charleston, great education, and no commitment to military but you get the network and experience that goes with one.  

Bottom line we should also be recruiting near military bases where some/most of the candidates are already experienced in military matters as their parents are military or retired.  Look at QB Shickel as an example, father is a Marine and i think an alumni.  

Wish Bobby Ruff and the Recruiting team lots of luck!!!
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I advise parents of HS students all the time: 

1:  IF your child is a top performer and certain they want a decade in the military (school plus payback)…..maybe even a military career--Then the Service Academies are fantastic for educating youngsters and preparing them to serve.
2:  IF your child is a top performer and unsure or indifferent about post-graduate Service BUT wants the challenge associated with a Service academy, good education, and alumni network-- send them through ROTC at a place like The Citadel where they can test the Service waters through ROTC coursework, summer training, etc.  The worst case scenario here is your child figures out they don't want to serve in the armed forces but they get a superb education an strict discipline in their college years.
3:  IF your child is a top performer but wants a traditional college experience--send them to one of the ROTC units at the many top flight civilian schools.  They can still opt out of Service before Junior year quietly.

This advice would hold true for athletes as well--especially ones that want to get a jump on a masters degree (through redshirt) or fancy themselves as potential players at the professional level. 

Bottom Line:  Service Academies ask 17 year old youngsters to make a decision with a decade's worth of ramifications.  "Sign-up if you're sure" ….otherwise, there are outstanding options elsewhere offering a superb education with a lot more flexibility.

Give 'Em Hell Citadel....Go Dogs!
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I would shy away from comparing the situation the service academies enjoy to the situation all other colleges and universities are in.

The military consideration can also be viewed through the lens that a kid who is already predisposed to going to a military school is naturally going to lean towards the service academies. They are all but guaranteed a regular commission where at El Cid and VMI they are not. They will get preferential treatment while in the service as service academy grads. They will get paid. They will enjoy arguably better post-grad networks. They will enjoy a higher level of prestige (misguided or not). And let’s face it- they’ll play at the FBS level.

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I don't think that is true at all...from what I heard only the best 20 or so ever enroll in the real school and the rest transfer or enlist.  EX QB Dom Allen is an example. He started at AFA prep.


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I don't think that is true at all...from what I heard only the best 20 or so ever enroll in the real school and the rest transfer or enlist.  EX QB Dom Allen is an example. He started at AFA prep.




Yes this is very true and know first hand since I live in Annapolis and have many neighbors who sponsor midshipmen athletes. Even through they might get 50-60 a year they are not taking even half that on the varsity roster.

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I don't think that is true at all...from what I heard only the best 20 or so ever enroll in the real school and the rest transfer or enlist.  EX QB Dom Allen is an example. He started at AFA prep.




That’s right-

But when they sign on the line, do you think they are thinking, “I’m just going to go to prep for a year or two”?

It isn’t. I’m talking about what motivates a good number of these kids, not what the realities are. Let’s face it - most 17-18 year olds don’t deal in realities as much as older people do.

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FSAs have the advantage of being exempt from the 95 scholly rule since all their students are on a scholarship, also a new rule allowing service academy athletes to go pro and be released from their active duty commitment may attract more quality recruits. Many of the recruits find out they cant handle the intense academic load and like many other FBS programs a lot of players leave because they find out how much talent is in the program and how much competition there is for playing time.
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FSAs have the advantage of being exempt from the 95 scholly rule since all their students are on a scholarship, also a new rule allowing service academy athletes to go pro and be released from their active duty commitment may attract more quality recruits. Many of the recruits find out they cant handle the intense academic load and like many other FBS programs a lot of players leave because they find out how much talent is in the program and how much competition there is for playing time.


Correct-

This is why I have always said that when it comes to recruiting we should not be comparing ourselves to the service academies. They operate under a totalky different paradigm.

We need to look at ourselves as a niche school... much the same way that Wofford does (Theirs is small school academics in warm weather. With bow ties).

We should be casting a nationwide net. As I have said before, there are only 2 states in the entire country that offer FCS football in a military setting. Surely there are corn fed boys from Nebraska who would come if given the right pitch.

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we are doing a much better job of going outside the southeast, been getting a good crop of recruits from Texas in recent years. I believe money is part of the problem since we don't have enough of a recruiting budget (or staff) to be out beating the bushes in every corner of the country. The DC area has many strong HS programs and General Walters has asked why we aren't getting more recruits from that area, don't know how much they target certain cities but doubtless Atlanta, Charlotte and Columbia are at the top of the list.
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Our main recruiting area is SC, GA, NC, & FL (mostly Orlando & north). Some Alabama & Tennessee, since we have to go there for SOCON games.  Main thing is to be able to go somewhere that the coaches can drive to in 5-6 hours vs having to fly.
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Virginia is a target rich environment because it has a number of military academies - Hargrave, Fork Union, Fishburne, Massanutten, Randolph-Macon, Benedictine Prep; I wonder what emphasis our coaches put on recruiting these. They are within a reasonable drive of chucktown.
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Tennessee HS football is getting better and I think next year half of our defensive backfield will be from Tennessee, Adams and Howard. If not they will breathing down someone's neck for PT. 
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