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Retention is an issue across the entire D-1.  Look at the number of transfers that ETSU and UNCG bring in every year.  Even Woffy has a transfer from CofC (Goodwin).  Woffy has 3 Seniors, 3 Juniors & 5 Sophomores.  Not much different than out team.
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I don't have the stats to prove it but it looks to me like DB runs the wide open hurry up and shoot in the conference pre-season and then slows it down in the conference where everyone has seen it for a while. That being said I agree with all of the above posts: retention, finding some great shooters like Magee and Hoover from Wofford, Brown and Lyons from Furman, etc., etc, they all have them, and a couple of big men. Of course this has been an issue with Citadel basketball for 75 years. I am glad I don't have that job.    
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Retention is an issue across the entire D-1.  Look at the number of transfers that ETSU and UNCG bring in every year.  Even Woffy has a transfer from CofC (Goodwin).  Woffy has 3 Seniors, 3 Juniors & 5 Sophomores.  Not much different than out team.


LOL I didn’t realize ETSU, UNCG’s andWofford’s fourth class systems were that tough. I also missed the inflow of all those sophomores, juniors, and seniors transferring INTO El Cid and not just out of the school—just grad student inflow option for us..

There really is no “Free Market” for us to play with regards to players because matriculation brings a mandatory knob year no matter when you arrive (absent grad students).

IMO, the 4CS makes player ID, development AND retention all the more important for our Bulldogs and we’re falling short.
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LOL I didn’t realize ETSU, UNCG’s andWofford’s fourth class systems were that tough. I also missed the inflow of all those sophomores, juniors, and seniors transferring INTO El Cid and not just out of the school—just grad student inflow option for us..

There really is no “Free Market” for us to play with regards to players because matriculation brings a mandatory knob year no matter when you arrive (absent grad students).

IMO, the 4CS makes player ID, development AND retention all the more important for our Bulldogs and we’re falling short.


NavyDog - 

When I said "retention is an issue across all of D-1 basketball", I was specifically referring to your comment, "Coach’s major problem IMO is he has trouble retaining players. Can’t train and develop them if you can’t retain them. We have high attrition and we’re perpetually young."

This past year, we were not "young".  We had 3 Seniors, 2 Grad Transfers, 2 Juniors, and 4 Sophomores with extensive playing time.  Most teams would love to have that kind of D-1 basketball experience.  Even with a Veteran team like that, think what this team would have been like WITHOUT LEW STALLWORTH!

Bottom line is that "run n' gun, embrace the pace" is no longer a viable style for The Citadel with the level of talent that we are able to recruit and retain.  Other teams are able to execute that style with better players.

Just like in FB, we can not compete using a "spread, pass happy" offense.  We need the TO to limit offensive possessions for the opposition, and control the clock.

Conroy's slow down, milk the clock and limit the possessions style in basketball is the best style for us, based and the quality of basketball player that we can recruit (and retain). 

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Disclosure: I was a huge fan of this hire. That being said, Coach’s major problem IMO is he has trouble retaining players. Can’t train and develop them if you can’t retain them. We have high attrition and we’re perpetually young. Our success this year rested on a civilian grad student averaging 20 pts a game and running the offense from his guard position. Cadet seniors (Nadjawi and Freirson) averaged a solid but not spectacular 14 and 12 points respectively. Next year we will return two rising seniors (Harris and Burgess) averaging 2 PPG; four rising juniors with only Rice averaging double figures (11PPG) and only one rising sophomore (current knob Higgins) averaging any points at all......less than 2PPG.

That looks thin enough but if you add in our typical attrition of a couple players per offseason, we may struggle next year. There may already have been a transfer announcement or two....I’m not sure.

Short term: Looks like we need to hit the grad student market again. Not optimal but unfortunately necessary.

Long term: We need better recruit evaluation to find decent players who will stay and earn the ring in addition to becoming better and better BB players.

Give ‘Em Hell Citadel....Go Dogs!


Burgess isn’t back...He’s leaving early. Kern, our top % from 3 point range is back and hopefully another grad transfer point guard and post
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62.98% of the scoring from this past year is gone:

Team averaged 85.1 points per game - 

Stallworth: 20.2
Najdawi:  14.3
Frierson: 12.5
Williams: 4.2
Burgess: 2.4

Where is the scoring going to come from?  Kern?  Rice? Reed? Brown?

Team only shot 34.4% from 3.  Opponents shot better from 3 than we did, 37.1%. That's not good enough for this style of play.  Need to shoot close to 40% from 3.

Best 3 point shooter was Stallworth @ 37.5%, followed by Frierson at 37.1%.  Can Kern, Rice, Reed, Brown & Higgins get close to Stallworth & Frierson?  If they can, we might have a chance.



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62.98% of the scoring from this past year is gone:

Team averaged 85.1 points per game - 

Stallworth: 20.2
Najdawi:  14.3
Frierson: 12.5
Williams: 4.2
Burgess: 2.4

Where is the scoring going to come from?  Kern?  Rice? Reed? Brown?

Team only shot 34.4% from 3.  Opponents shot better from 3 than we did, 37.1%. That's not good enough for this style of play.  Need to shoot close to 40% from 3.

Best 3 point shooter was Stallworth @ 37.5%, followed by Frierson at 37.1%.  Can Kern, Rice, Reed, Brown & Higgins get close to Stallworth & Frierson?  If they can, we might have a chance.





Kern was .386...Led team. Rice, Kern, Brown, Reed and Harris will be fine. Team will be fine with grad big and PG
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Kern was .386...Led team. Rice, Kern, Brown, Reed and Harris will be fine. Team will be fine with grad big and PG


You are correct about Kern's 3 pt %.  I missed it.

I just don't have a lot of confidence that "team will be fine".  Been disappointed too many times in the past by high expectations, like this past year, so I'm not expecting much in 2019-20, and maybe I'll be pleasantly surprised.  Hope you're right and I'm wrong.

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Team will not be “fine” with this style of play. It is niche basketball and is more of a D3 style of play absent averaging 130-140 PPG. It’s the triple option of basketball and can work occasionally with the right personnel but consistently? No
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“Fine” meaning good young men that play at a school that has NEVER been to March Madness and will never go from this league in the day of JUCO and mass transfers. The current staff and team are as good as we can do. No coach, in school history, has won the SOCON and even with a number of good players this year, the ETSU’s and CHATT’s of the world take discipline problems and baggage that we won’t. The Citadel Hoops is what it is and has always been. I choose to admire the guys that endure the school and play hard.
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I don’t disagree
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The LSU coach, Will Wade, spent two years before LSU at VCU and then before that was at UTC. (He also has a thing for initialized schools.) SO where do you think he learned to offer the families of high profile recruits money for "expenses". He was the one that recruited the players that led to the player revolt. That coach escaped the stink and is now the head coach at UMass. Allegedly.

Also we are at the tourney one year and we are talking to a UTC assistant coach. He had never been to a regular season basketball game in Chattanooga. Never. He did get to come to the tourney. He spent the entire months of November thru February recruiting Jucos in the mid-west.      

ETSU is using the Will Wade game plan, allegedly, but I hope a little cleaner.
  
I agree with ProudDogDad. Savior each win, they are worth more at The Citadel. 
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I am truly proud of my son playing at this amazing school for solid male role models on the staff with young men that have become life long TRUE friends. Winning and losing matter to my son and I but the important things are the diploma, ring and relationships.
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Speaking of transfers, as of today Jeff Goodman of Stadium is listing freshman forward Dimitri Georgiadis of The Citadel as transferring out of school. 

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Also, someone mentioned UMass. That school has six basketball players transferring (so far), more than any other school except UMKC (which has 10 players in the transfer portal).

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 Dimitri Georgiadis is slow and can't jump. No great loss. We have to bring in some size though.
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