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https://www.postandcourier.com/sports/ncaa-hits-charleston-southern-with-two-years-probation-loss-of/article_17b7b6a4-d16f-11e8-b2c6-a389754c8440.html


I guess all the whispers finally came true and now it's no secret why Chadwell couldn't get hired on anywhere? This is going to be fun for a while as it vacates wins in several sports.


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Sandlapper Spike please dissect the report and just give us the stuff about JC. Also let us know if you find any names that we would recognize.
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The report does not specify which sports/games in which CSU used ineligible players, and thus must "vacate" wins:

Must CSU "vacate" wins against us in:

FOOTBALL:  2013, 29 - 32; 2014, 18 - 20; 2015, 20 - 33 & 6 - 14;  Might we have won those games, especially the 2015 playoff game, & advanced to the quarterfinals had CSU not cheated and used ineligible players????

BASKETBALL: 2011-12, 69 - 88; 2012-13, 73 - 101.

BASEBALL: 2012, 0 - 4 & 2 - 5; 

I'm sure there's more in sports like volleyball & soccer.

  

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“I'm sure there's more in sports like volleyball & soccer.”

If so, why was the reduction in scholarships and other punishment placed solely on the football program?
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“I'm sure there's more in sports like volleyball & soccer.”

If so, why was the reduction in scholarships and other punishment placed solely on the football program?


I meant that I believe that they also have to vacate wins in other sports like volleyball & soccer, not that they have more wins in those sports that they have to vacate.

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Here's the kicker....."“According to CSU, however, it did not have the time and resources to appropriately address the recommendations,” the report continued. “Instead, CSU continued to use an informal eligibility process, reassigned non-compliance staff to assist with certification and failed to develop formal rules education.”

Who the hell thinks they have the money now to fix this??  They don't have the money.  D2 here comes CSU where they belong. Maybe they'll switch to the Pioneer Conference.

http://articles.baltimoresun.com/2007-05-16/business/0705160159_1_charleston-parish-purple

"Investigators say the alleged "classic Ponzi scheme" began to unravel early this year when Charleston Southern needed to pull $1.5 million of its $10.6 million investment. Despite a balance on his books of more than a half-billion dollars, Parish couldn't come up with the money, investigators say."

Crap happens when you loose that kind of jack in a Ponzi scheme.



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The time line doesn't makes sense with the Ponzi scheme. Sounds like mis-management and I think that the football program probably took advantage of a weak compliance department. If no one else is recruiting your kids but you, and they are good athletes, there is a reason. 
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So we should bring back all of the 2015 team and advance in the playoffs... I kid I kid...

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The time line doesn't makes sense with the Ponzi scheme. Sounds like mis-management and I think that the football program probably took advantage of a weak compliance department. If no one else is recruiting your kids but you, and they are good athletes, there is a reason. 
The Ponzi scheme probably hurt them to tune of $500k per year if you assume a 5% return per annum. That’s like their team playing 1 1/2 to 2 power 5 teams each year. More than enough money to fund a decent compliance office for all of their sport teams.

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Leave it to Sapakoff

https://www.postandcourier.com/columnists/sapakoff-charleston-southern-needs-unc-lawyers-to-fight-ncaa-mockery/article_2d2fcd50-d228-11e8-8bc3-77405819dd6d.html

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He chooses to gloss over the 22 ineligible players (or perhaps 23; there is a numerical discrepancy in the NCAA report, but I don't know how Sapakoff gets 21).

Now, we don't know if all (or even most) of them were football players, although every indication is that they were (at least one definitely was, per the report). However, there is no question that if CSU were using that many ineligible players during Jamey Chadwell's tenure as head football coach, vacating wins and Big South titles is certainly an appropriate punishment.

Also, Sapakoff mentions North Carolina. I think we all agree that the UNC situation (and the outcome via the NCAA) was ridiculous, but we can also agree that the schools that should be most upset about that are UNC's peers -- current or former conference members (like NC State, Wake Forest, UVA, and Maryland).

The schools not mentioned by Sapakoff? They would be Presbyterian, Gardner-Webb, Monmouth, and Liberty -- fellow conference schools in football that were actually impacted by CSU's infractions. Try telling a PC fan that Charleston Southern should catch a break because it doesn't have a lot of financial resources. 



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The idea that a small university with a small endowment would entrust a significant portion of that endowment to a part time financial advisor is laughable. Easy to see how problems arose.
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