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GoDogsGO

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“Non Military Excuse” current records
Air Force 8-9
Army 5-10
Navy 8-7
VMI 5-13
Citadel 6-9

Air Force, Army, Navy have prep schools and unlimited scholarships. VmI and Us get 13.

We need to find out what we can do to help this program excel.! I don’t think changing coaches ever 5 years is the answer. We can start by showing up and cheering on Wednesday against a top tier team in the SoCon.
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“Non Military Excuse” current records
Air Force 8-9
Army 5-10
Navy 8-7
VMI 5-13
Citadel 6-9

Air Force, Army, Navy have prep schools and unlimited scholarships. VmI and Us get 13.

We need to find out what we can do to help this program excel.! I don’t think changing coaches ever 5 years is the answer. We can start by showing up and cheering on Wednesday against a top tier team in the SoCon.




Good info, thanks. 
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Of course Higgins had no military background, Baucom came from VMI and certainly understood the unique challenges of a military school as did Chuck Dreisell and Charlie Taafe; didn't seem to be a problem for Houston.  Our football players take a light courseload in the fall but of course are required to take classes in the summer.  Somehow I don't think shooting baskets at 2AM makes for better players or "much more sleep".  Lots of lame excuses, at some point you need to improve and win despite obstacles. 
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Houston didn't recruit many while he was here if that is what  " didn't seem to be a problem for Houston." means. He was only here two years is what I think you meant about not a problem for Houston and recruiting. 
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https://www.postandcourier.com/sports/citadel-notes-turf-going-in-at-football-stadium-coach-s/article_5f424a78-3705-11ea-b7ab-dff0961e69df.html


Jeff has the entire basketball contract laid out for us. 

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Well, I guess that make all this talk about DB staying for the 2020-21 season a moot point.  He'll be the coach next year, no matter how good or bad this season ends up.  He'll have another year to produce a winner and next year we can start this discussion all over again.  For now, let's just support him and this team and hope for the best.  GO DAWGS!

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IMO, attendance is one of if not the main factor. Seem to have the worst showing in the league. MFH is so not conducive for fan involved basketball. The seats are so far from the court, there is no parking to speak of and students don't show. Lose the cave and make it a cozy 3,000 seat gym. Convert the remaining one third into a multipurpose facility for athletic teams and corp alike. No demolition just conversion. Love Bulldog hoops but a terrible place to see a game. One month from baseball. Please consider the Diamond Dog Club! 
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Of course Higgins had no military background, Baucom came from VMI and certainly understood the unique challenges of a military school as did Chuck Dreisell and Charlie Taafe; didn't seem to be a problem for Houston.  Our football players take a light courseload in the fall but of course are required to take classes in the summer.  Somehow I don't think shooting baskets at 2AM makes for better players or "much more sleep".  Lots of lame excuses, at some point you need to improve and win despite obstacles. 


Or start over with a new coach, which generally equates to winning seasons in that first and second year, right?

Whether you like it or not, fact is we statistically have a MUCH better chance of winning games with a coach that’s been here a few years than we do with the new coaches who must learn the school, players, recruit their system, etc.
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Or start over with a new coach, which generally equates to winning seasons in that first and second year, right?

Whether you like it or not, fact is we statistically have a MUCH better chance of winning games with a coach that’s been here a few years than we do with the new coaches who must learn the school, players, recruit their system, etc.


"A few years = 2 or 3 years, with improvement, however minor (in the win column, not just losing by 3-5 points instead of 30 - 40) each year, and being at or over .500 in SOCON games by the 4th or 5th. 

Has that happened in the DB era???????

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My comment about Houston had to do with turning around the program and producing a winning record after only 1 year, 'the learning curve' obviously didn't inhibit him from success.  Hey look on the bright side, we only  have one more loss than North Carolina.
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"A few years = 2 or 3 years, with improvement, however minor (in the win column, not just losing by 3-5 points instead of 30 - 40) each year, and being at or over .500 in SOCON games by the 4th or 5th. 

Has that happened in the DB era???????


How often has that happened in ANY of our coaches eras? Did it happen in the first year of their tenure? The second?
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How often has that happened in ANY of our coaches eras? Did it happen in the first year of their tenure? The second?

With Conroy, yes.

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With Conroy, yes.


No, it didn’t. The Dogs were 1-19 in the SoCon in year 2 under Conroy. My classmates and I were knobs that year and it was a brutal season including a 101-44 loss at South Carolina.

You’ll find that NONE of our coaches win their first couple years. So the folks begging for a new coach are also begging for a couple more years of losing in the hopes that maybe by year 3 things are on the up and up. While possible, that also ignores the historical data (and future odds) as it relates to basketball at The Citadel.
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Yes, years 1 & 2 (2006-07 and 2007-08) were brutal under Conroy, but in year 3 we were 20-5 (15-5 SOCON) and in year 4, we were 16-16 (9-9 SOCON).

Conroy turned the program around in 2 years and we were competitive and finished at or above .500 by his 3rd year.  Neither Chucky D nor DB has come close to that. 

As I said earlier:  "A few years = 2 or 3 years, with improvement, however minor (in the win column, not just losing by 3-5 points instead of 30 - 40) each year, and being at or over .500 in SOCON games by the 4th or 5th. 

Conroy did that. DB has not.  End of story.  This year is already lost.  Best thing DB can do this year is develop the players that he will have next year.

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I think you are giving Conroy too much credit.  He had a winner in his 3rd year (it was a great year).  He had a .500 team in his fourth and final season.  I don't think 4 years with only 2 years of success is long enough to say he had a winning program. 

If I remember correctly, Conroy also had a recruiting class of 10 one year.  Those guys grew together and part of the success.  Seems more logical to have steady recruiting of 3-5 players a season coming in and grooming them.  That large recruiting class may explain some of the drop off after he left (not all of it though)

Mike Houston used Higgins' players and made a winner.  I don't think he figured out sustained Military College matters.  I think he is just that good ... motivator, leader ... Higgins did the hard work of setting those things up. We will not get this every coach we hire. And fortunately BT has capitalized and carried on with a competitive team.



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