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ProudDodDad

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Both Wofford games last year were 30 plus point losses! I know Wofford was better last year but we're playing everyone tough!! This team shows a lot of grit and fight.


SOCON is drastically down from last year.
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SOCON is drastically down from last year.


SOCON is down, not sure its drastically down?
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So here's what I'm hearing you say:

It's OK to lose, just don't lose by a lot. 

The expectation was that this team would get better each year ( More wins each year than the previous year, especially in SOCON play) under DB, so that by year 4 or 5, we would be over.500 in conference play and be competing for the conference championship.  That has NOT happened.  Sure, we may be playing better ball and the games are closer, but we are still losing.

No, not ok to lose. I hate losing! But at any time in deciding on a Coaching change does injuries come into play? I truly believe with Kern, Brown, Gammons, Higgins healthy, The Citadel is 9-5 or 10-4?
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SOCON is down, not sure its drastically down?


SoCon finished 12th Last Year (Highest in SoCon history since keeping league RPI)

SoCon currently 14th so down compared to last year not by much.

And just for the Basketball History Buffs the year we won 20 games the league was 24th out of 32 leagues. SoCon is officially a mid major powerhouse level and we happen to be a military school in this league.

The program is heading in the right direction keep your eyes on the “actual play “ and not the box score and you can tell DB has this program trending in the right direction. The kids are excelling in the classroom and they are playing hard to the end. That’s not a sign of a program that needs a change in leadership. It’s a sign of a team that needs support from the fans and Corp. See you Wednesday beat UNCG GoDogs!
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SoCon finished 12th Last Year (Highest in SoCon history since keeping league RPI)

SoCon currently 14th so down compared to last year not by much.

And just for the Basketball History Buffs the year we won 20 games the league was 24th out of 32 leagues. SoCon is officially a mid major powerhouse level and we happen to be a military school in this league.

The program is heading in the right direction keep your eyes on the “actual play “ and not the box score and you can tell DB has this program trending in the right direction. The kids are excelling in the classroom and they are playing hard to the end. That’s not a sign of a program that needs a change in leadership. It’s a sign of a team that needs support from the fans and Corp. See you Wednesday beat UNCG GoDogs! [/QUOTE

Personally, I'm not convinced that this coaching staff can produce a .500 season with the players that they recruit and this style of play.  BUT - 

I'd be OK with a 1 year extension for DB with a base salary that is 50% lower than what he is getting now, but heavily laden with incentives for D-1/SOCON wins, retention, and GPA. 

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SoCon finished 12th Last Year (Highest in SoCon history since keeping league RPI)

SoCon currently 14th so down compared to last year not by much.

And just for the Basketball History Buffs the year we won 20 games the league was 24th out of 32 leagues. SoCon is officially a mid major powerhouse level and we happen to be a military school in this league.

The program is heading in the right direction keep your eyes on the “actual play “ and not the box score and you can tell DB has this program trending in the right direction. The kids are excelling in the classroom and they are playing hard to the end. That’s not a sign of a program that needs a change in leadership. It’s a sign of a team that needs support from the fans and Corp. See you Wednesday beat UNCG GoDogs!


Thanks GoDogsGo! You said it better than I could have!
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so its OK to be 'heading in the right direction' after 5 years on the job?  Its fine that the players are good students and play hard but if that's the only thing we expect lets just drop down to D2 and keep playing the Piedmonts and Carvers of the world; if we accept mediocrity with our won loss records that's exactly  what we will keep getting indefinitely.
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Just let you know amazon started in 1994, we have been rocked bottom for years. I expect recruiting to be extremely hard here bc of military but then you add no basketball history to it. Makes it even harder! Have you seen the attendance at games?? The last game I attended it was 6 cadets and they were working a table in the corner. I have gone to local high school games that have more support. Atmosphere makes a difference, especially in a 1,2, or 4 point game. I can only imagine the outcome if we had 500 cadets or the locals in the building. We need to do something about it! As alumni we fought tooth and nail for the football team not having the cadets against Wofford bc of Fall Break (They put an article in the paper) but we do nothing about the cadets on campus every Wednesday and Saturday and not coming to basketball games. And we can’t make an excuse if they win a little, bc we have sat through many losing football seasons as well. The Corp makes a difference and we can see that in football but not in Basketball. Just go back to the VMI home game last year, if you need an example. Just my two cents!
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so its OK to be 'heading in the right direction' after 5 years on the job?  Its fine that the players are good students and play hard but if that's the only thing we expect lets just drop down to D2 and keep playing the Piedmonts and Carvers of the world; if we accept mediocrity with our won loss records that's exactly  what we will keep getting indefinitely.


Just asking again? Do you or AD take into account in 5th year the devastating injuries that have affected this year's team and chance at success? Also again, pretty much every SOCON team has two or three gimme games like Piedmont and Carver. Don't act like we're only ones that do it.
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so its OK to be 'heading in the right direction' after 5 years on the job?  Its fine that the players are good students and play hard but if that's the only thing we expect lets just drop down to D2 and keep playing the Piedmonts and Carvers of the world; if we accept mediocrity with our won loss records that's exactly  what we will keep getting indefinitely.


Citadel is a unique place as you know, if we were at CofC or CSU and in 5 years we weren’t competing for a championship I could understand. Building a program as special as The Citadel takes time. It’s like a marriage you have to learn the ends and outs and sometimes it takes 4 or 5 years to learn it!
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SoCon finished 12th Last Year (Highest in SoCon history since keeping league RPI)

SoCon currently 14th so down compared to last year not by much.

And just for the Basketball History Buffs the year we won 20 games the league was 24th out of 32 leagues. SoCon is officially a mid major powerhouse level and we happen to be a military school in this league.

The program is heading in the right direction keep your eyes on the “actual play “ and not the box score and you can tell DB has this program trending in the right direction. The kids are excelling in the classroom and they are playing hard to the end. That’s not a sign of a program that needs a change in leadership. It’s a sign of a team that needs support from the fans and Corp. See you Wednesday beat UNCG GoDogs! [/QUOTE

Personally, I'm not convinced that this coaching staff can produce a .500 season with the players that they recruit and this style of play.  BUT - 

I'd be OK with a 1 year extension for DB with a base salary that is 50% lower than what he is getting now, but heavily laden with incentives for D-1/SOCON wins, retention, and GPA. 


Curious, what's wrong with players on this year's team??
And, pretty much every SOCON team has 2 or 3 gimme games every year. The Citadel is not the only one to do it!!
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Citadel is a unique place as you know, if we were at CofC or CSU and in 5 years we weren’t competing for a championship I could understand. Building a program as special as The Citadel takes time. It’s like a marriage you have to learn the ends and outs and sometimes it takes 4 or 5 years to learn it!


If you bring in new staff not familiar with Military School, you will have at least a 2 to 4 year learning curve. Even though current staff Coached or played at VMI, sure it still took time to figure out The Citadel way of doing things.
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Air I think the military school excuse is getting tiresome, and it doesnt take staff any 4 years for a 'learning curve'.  We recruit good athletes; other teams have injury problems and lack of support but the good coaches can make the most of their talent and situation, if we continue rationalizing we will be spinning our wheels indefinitely.
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Kevin Higgins told us in Greenwood one night that it took him 3-4 years to evaluate personalities to come to school and stay. His classes populated the 2015 and 2016 SoCon championships. 
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Air I think the military school excuse is getting tiresome, and it doesnt take staff any 4 years for a 'learning curve'.  We recruit good athletes; other teams have injury problems and lack of support but the good coaches can make the most of their talent and situation, if we continue rationalizing we will be spinning our wheels indefinitely.


I said 2 to 4 years, lol.
I talked with Fletcher Mcgee last year and also with several Wofford Coaches and he and them talked about how him and his teammates would be in gym from midnight to 2am getting up extra shots on a regular basis. At Citadel your at ESP and can't leave Barracks after 11pm! For most part, kids have to take a heavier course load then other schools,. So yeah, not a military school excuse, just a military school reality.

Also, I'm pretty sure at all other non-military schools, including the SOCON, much more sleep, time to rest and rehab, and better nutrition table are provided. I am amazed at ALL our Cadet Athletes and how well they do considering these obstacles.. Not even going to start on the apathy and disdain among the Corp toward the Cadet Athletes. All that being said, Go Bulldogs!!
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