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fblott1952

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If D B breaks even then he should be the National Coach Of The Year.
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SoCon loaded, we ain't. 12 wins. But they are great kids so I will watch every game I can and go to as many as the Mrs. will allow me.
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UNC-Asheville, Campbell and SEMO will be a good early season litmus test for this team. 
Hope the grad transfers contribute.
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The biggest ? is how many does he need to win to renew his contract?
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If he wins 10-12 and is competitive in most of the games then he MAY get an extension...maybe.
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In the past, new coaches were initially given a 5 year contract.  Then every year that the team wins the majority of the games against D-1 (FCS for FB, all D-1 for other sports), the coach is given a 1 year extension.

If the school is still following this model, then DB needs to finish above .500 against D-1 competition to get a 1 year extension, otherwise he is gone since he has not finished above .500 in the previous 4 years.

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The SoCon looks to be tough again. I hope we pull of some magic but we lost a lot from last year...
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agree with 81, nothing less than .500 saves his job. Unfortunately with a very young team I just don't have much confidence in that happening and he has made no progress thus far; next big question - is Ed ready for an encore?
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So far, we are 0-3 in the SOCON. 

Could have and should have won all 3 of those games.

Looking at the remaining schedule, my prediction is we finish 6-12 in SOCON play. We beat teams like VMI, Mercer, Sammy, and WCU, and lose both times we play UNCG, Chatty, Woffy, Vermin, and ETSU.

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That’s about right. 12-20. Does it buy D B another year? Who knows.
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That’s about right. 12-20. Does it buy D B another year? Who knows.


You tell me:

Year #1, 2015-16: Overall, 10-22, SOCON, 3-15

Year #2, 2016-17: Overall, 12-21, SOCON, 4-14

Year#3, 2017-18: Overall, 11-21, SOCON, 5-13

Year #4, 2018-19:  Overall, 12-18;  SOCON, 4-14

PROJECTED Year #5, 2019-20: Overall, 12-20; SOCON, 6-12

That would be an overall 5 year record of: 57-102 (.358 winning %) and how many of those wins came against non-D1 competition like Carver, Piedmont, Bob Jones, and Mid-Atlantic Christian!?!?!?!?!?!; SOCON: 22-68 (.244 winning %)

Name ANY BB coach (HS, college, or pro) other than at The Citadel, that would be retained with a record like that!!

What if he was the CEO of a company and the share price, revenue and earnings fell by 65 - 75% in 5 years; Would the company retain him?!?!?!?!

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What if he was the CEO of a company and the share price, revenue and earnings fell by 65 - 75% in 5 years; Would the company retain him?!?!?!?!


Can you explain this?  Chucky D had a .270 winning % in the 5 years (42 wins) before DB.  In comparison, DB (using 57 wins you mentioned) has a 35% increase in wins.  DB improved the program from what he got. 

I would consider keeping DB one more season.  This would be based on what players commit to returning, our recruiting class, and the injury riddled season we are witnessing.  If we only lose those that graduate, I think we ride it one one season. There are a lot of pieces in place (young, but in place).  Retention is the key and something we have not seen great numbers on in 10 years.
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Can you explain this?  Chucky D had a .270 winning % in the 5 years (42 wins) before DB.  In comparison, DB (using 57 wins you mentioned) has a 35% increase in wins.  DB improved the program from what he got. 

I would consider keeping DB one more season.  This would be based on what players commit to returning, our recruiting class, and the injury riddled season we are witnessing.  If we only lose those that graduate, I think we ride it one one season. There are a lot of pieces in place (young, but in place).  Retention is the key and something we have not seen great numbers on in 10 years.


I said: "Name ANY BB coach (HS, college, or pro) other than at The Citadel, that would be retained with a record like that!!"

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I said: "Name ANY BB coach (HS, college, or pro) other than at The Citadel, that would be retained with a record like that!!"


I saw that statement and tend to agree with you ... of course, we present a very challenging opportunity for any coach ... a HUGE challenge ... in that we have not basketball tradition to build off.

But you typed, "What if he was the CEO of a company and the share price, revenue and earnings fell by 65 - 75% in 5 years?"  Your post tries to show correlation to winning percentages and the list of CEO concerns.  In the past 5 years, our winning percentage has not fallen, but increased by 35%.  So to the that point, I would imagine a good number of companies would retain the CEO is that saw a 35% increase in "winning".
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I saw that statement and tend to agree with you ... of course, we present a very challenging opportunity for any coach ... a HUGE challenge ... in that we have not basketball tradition to build off.

But you typed, "What if he was the CEO of a company and the share price, revenue and earnings fell by 65 - 75% in 5 years?"  Your post tries to show correlation to winning percentages and the list of CEO concerns.  In the past 5 years, our winning percentage has not fallen, but increased by 35%.  So to the that point, I would imagine a good number of companies would retain the CEO is that saw a 35% increase in "winning".


Point well taken.  If by some chance the administration decides to retain DB and add 1 year to his contract, then the base salary should  be greatly reduced and be very heavy on incentives for retention, grades, and games won (vs D-1 teams only).

Only at The Citadel is mediocrity the standard, accepted and rewarded with contract extensions.  Take for example, the recent development at Mississippi State.  The head FB coach was fired after 2 years, a 14-12 record, and a trip this year to a bowl game.  The Citadel would NEVER fire a coach with a winning record and a trip to the FCS playoff.  Just saying.

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