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Moved it up to pair with Leadership Symposium. Also had to cancel March to Marion Square because of other events previously booked there.
Social media has exploded from angry alumni.
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No it was moved up so knobs won't be "too stressed during final exams". Total crock and just the latest evidence of the inept candyass leadership
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I don't know you Conrack, this plan was put together by Captain Pulso. I wouldn't want to call him that to his face, his life as a Navy Seal does not back up that statement.
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conrack....you would be incorrect on 1) why it was moved to March and 2) your assessment of CPT Paluso. CPT Paluso would be a Navy Seal which would make your assessment as "inept candyass" wrong.
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Below is the e-mail that was sent out by the Commandant in regards to moving recognition day to coincide w/ Corps Day.
While calling the school's decision makers " inept candyass leadership", is probably childish and immature, I believe that the move to shorten the 4th class system (again) does not sit well w/ many Alumni.The reasoning of having it coincide w/ Corps Day, the Leadership symposium, giving additional training for next years' Corps leadership, and citing studies from 1968, 1980, & 1997 is nothing more than a smoke screen and an attempt to justify the move. It gives the impression to many of us that had to endure the 4th class system all the way in to May, that the school leadership is giving in to political correctness, softening the 4th class system, and the cultivating of a "snowflake" generation that we see among many liberal institutions of higher learning. I, for one, do not like, agree with, or approve of this change, and I'm sure a great deal many Alumni agree w/ me. The Citadel has always taken the high road and been the "road less traveled", but this move seems to take The Citadel to be more in line with main stream liberal arts colleges, and is just a step towards eliminating the 4th class system altogether. This is the 2nd time in 10 years that The Citadel has made a decision to shorten the 4th class system. What's next? Shorten it to only last 1st semester?
Alumni - Please see the message below from the Commandant of the Corps of Cadets, CAPT Geno Paluso, '89 regarding a change to Recognition Day.
Corps Day takes place the weekend of March 17th, marking the 174th birthday of the South Carolina Corps of Cadets, and celebrating the rich traditions and heritage cherished by alumni, cadets and friends.
This year Corps Day weekend features three events that celebrate the college's past, present and future. Leading into Corps Day is the 10th annual Principled Leadership Symposium hosted by the Krause Center for Leadership and Ethics. The symposium, which underscores the college's commitment to producing principled leaders, attracts university, corporate and military participants to campus. Following the symposium are the regular Corps Day events, with the addition of Recognition Day events on Saturday.
The decision to incorporate Recognition into Corps Day events was made with great care and respect for tradition, and was done in consultation with departments across campus, the president and the Board of Visitors. The idea of combining Recognition Day with Corps Day is not new. Studies done over the years such as the Whitmire Report in 1968, Mood Report in 1980, as well as the 1997 Mace Report all recommended combining Recognition Day with Corps Day. All reports cited the need for transition from the fourth-class system earlier in order to enhance the training value for freshman before sophomore year, and potentially decrease hazing and fourth-class system violations. Many alumni recall when Recognition Day occurred at the end of final exams and after the parade before the Long Gray Line Parade. In 2008, Recognition Day moved to the mid-April timeframe (fluctuated due to Easter, Spring Break and graduation dates) to allow cadets to focus on final exams. The move of Recognition Day this year from early April to Corps Day weekend accounts for two week difference in fourth class training.
The ability to move Recognition Day up two weeks this year is a direct result of the progress the college has made in the four-year Leadership Development Program. Combining Recognition Day with Corps Day not only enhances both celebrations, it allows an additional two weeks of training and assimilation time to convert knobs into more professionally trained sophomores. This additional training after recognition is conducted during the Corporal Academy, where each rising sophomore, not just cadets selected as corporals, participates and benefits. The purpose of the Corporal Academy is to prepare cadets for what is widely acknowledged as the most challenging of the three upper-class years. As part of the larger Leader Development program, rising sophomores receive training in the roles and responsibilities of a sophomore leader and non-commissioned officer. Formal training consists of 18 hours leading up to exams and further allows day-to-day mentorship to occur in the barracks. It does NOT include any increase or change in class privileges, and freshmen will continue to be trained, just with a different focus, their chins out and by their first names.
The Citadel family will benefit from the opportunity for alumni and family alike to share--in a single weekend--the experiences of Corps Day and Recognition Day, enhancing each celebration. The combined celebration will give alumni the opportunity to observe Recognition Day activities on Summerall and Washington Light Infantry Fields, see the Class of 2020 march to Marion Square and retake the cadet oath, as well as participate in the traditional passing of the keys from the Washington Light Infantry to the Corps. Future initiatives will link 25th-year reunion classes to the knob class being recognized, further enhancing the bonds between the Corps and the Long Gray Line.
These changes are in line with what all alumni should expect from The Citadel--adapting to produce graduates who are prepared principled leaders worthy of the ring, ready to take on challenges and tasks vital to the state and our great nation.
Eugene F. Paluso
Captain, U.S. Navy, Retired Commandant of Cadets __________________ LTC (Ret.)
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I have no problem aligning Rec Day with Corps Day--in fact I like it. It adds more to both events.
My recollection of the April and May "system" consisted of general apathy by UC and knobs just running the clock. I remember an annual black market of one-off recognition acts by UC and individual knobs...wrestling matches in alcoves and the like. Corps Day in the 80's was the special weekend with the least pop....very poorly attended alumni and families except for the WLI crew. There was a half-assed march to Marion Square by a "voluntold" company and cadets on restriction who were seeking two for one credit. Rec Day in my knob year (spring 1985) was 20-30 min of calisthenics in the barracks--not much in terms of difficulty or ceremony.
Now, Corps Day has more interest and Rec Day is much much harder than in the 80's. Today's knobs do an event much closer to one of the 14 BV "days".....1.5 hours.....laps around campus.....telephone poles......ammo cans......sandbags........tractor tires.........fireman carries.....all followed up by a "class set" of push ups and recognition hand shakes. OBTW....the Corps Day timing for Rec Day is STILL later in the year than VMI's Feb rat-breakout. Plus the recently installed march to Marion square and knob oath in conjunction with Rec Day has much more meaning than those pressed into service in the past 80s era marchovers aligned with past Corps Day festivities---Doing the march on Corps Day with the recently recognized knobs appears to be a good fit. To be sure, we need square away the access problem they faced this year, but I have no doubt the school will get the square for the knob march over for future years.
For those who point to tradition: Tradition is fleeting. It was only upon the arrival of GEN Clark that we brought forth the adversarial brand of 4CS that we have now. Our most lauded and illlustrious class (1942) trained under GEN Summerall and the "system" was much more like a gentlemen's club at the time mixed with a good dose of "real" military training as most of the Corps entered the Service (we had FTX several times a year). No company parties, no recognition PT, no extreme TLOD hazing, no codified honor code (Summerall would unilaterally give you 5 hours to depart campus if you violated his sense of honor to include foul language). And yet, this class under the Summerall system delivered:
-4 Generals (including Seignious & Grimsley),
-1 Senator (Fritz),
-2 Governers (Fritz and West),
-1 Ambassador (West),
-a captain of Industry (Alvah Chapman--publishing),
-a renowned war hero (DSC winner COL Bell),
-AND a combination citizen/soldier/statesman (26 year US Rep Hammerschmidt (R-Ark) who also earned 4 DFC's flying in Burma in the war, and founded a large lumber business in Arkansas after the war).
In short, The Citadel served these former Cadets from the Class of '42 very well, and it was all with a 4CS that none of us would recognize.
I will echo the words of my old English professor LTC H. B. "Trashmouth" Alexander--"The only true tradition at The CItadel is the tradition of constant change."
Combo Corps Day/Rec Day--Good move by LtGen Rosa and CAPT Paluso IMHO.
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^^^^^ Thanks, John. I have the same sentiment and didn't feel like typing that much. I can only hope folks support the school with as much real effort and financial support as they do with online bitching.
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I agree with all of that. Well stated.
I do wish that in some way Recognition Day could be a less "public" event, but I understand the issues involved. __________________ https://thesportsarsenal.com/2018/10/18/2018-football-game-6-the-citadel-vs-vmi/
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But, alas, isn't the typical, modern "view" of cadet alumni over 60 that of grumpy men who complain about ANYTHING different than the ecstasy that was their teenage and young adult experience at The Citadel?
The Citadel Experience is different for every single person who braves to try it. True uniformity does not exist from company to company or battalion to battalion. How long or short one experiences the 4th Class System will not make them any more or less of a cadet, man/woman or proud alumni.
Whining and complaining.... well, I guess that just become a rite of passage, too. I have read all KINDS of posts on Social Media shredding the current administration over this weekends' changes. And yet, when I walked around campus Saturday, I saw several thousand people cheering and supporting the remaining 822 knobs to finish what they started. Some did it with a struggle, some had to be helped by a fellow knob, and some went through with broken bones, stitches and other significant injuries. And in the end, they made it... they survived... they overcame. I watched 822 young men and women who bonded and braved to finish the day.
Whatever your thoughts, these kids are your Class of 2020. They looked like one helluva class.
Congrats, Cadets. Knob No More.
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Originally Posted by
TrueBlue88 ^^^^^ Thanks, John. I have the same sentiment and didn't feel like typing that much. I can only hope folks support the school with as much real effort and financial support as they do with online bitching.
The ones that complain and whine probably don't give one dime!
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The whiners and complaining alumni are from the same genetic code as the people who populate Williams Brice and Death Valley on Saturdays instead of driving down to Charleston to support their Alma Mater.
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Originally Posted by
BravoBeach95 The whiners and complaining alumni are from the same genetic code as the people who populate Williams Brice and Death Valley on Saturdays instead of driving down to Charleston to support their Alma Mater.
This is a couple months late... but probably very true.