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Too bad it didn't go so well the past few years. Going out on top is always the best way to leave but in coaching that sort of thing hardly ever happens. He's a great coach. 800 wins! Amazing.

As for the haters, it wouldn't be a message board without them.

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What about Chris Swauger. He's a manager in Cardinals organization. He probably makes about 60 grand. I think we could afford him and he's done a great job
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I think Swauger was already interviewed as saying he's happy where he's at.
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Swauger plans to move up in the Cardinals organization. He has no interest in the college game at this point.
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Well if he were interested then I think Chris would do a great job. Who's the front runner if anyone knows?
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Let's not forget that Chal Port was a UNC graduate, if memory serves.

Our best coaches have generally not been grads.

In fact, it has been my observation that non-grads have sometimes done a better job of respecting the traditions and special circumstances of the school than some who have worn the ring.

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Let's not forget that Chal Port was a UNC graduate, if memory serves.

Our best coaches have generally not been grads.

In fact, it has been my observation that non-grads have sometimes done a better job of respecting the traditions and special circumstances of the school than some who have worn the ring.



Won't dispute the fact that Coach Port was a 2 sport athlete at Chapel Hill.

But he also served in the Air Force during the Korean War and stayed in the reserves to retire at a Lt. Col. He wasn't totally green to a military environment.

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Let's not forget that Chal Port was a UNC graduate, if memory serves. Our best coaches have generally not been grads. In fact, it has been my observation that non-grads have sometimes done a better job of respecting the traditions and special circumstances of the school than some who have worn the ring.


Yep....Greatest Citadel coaches (in the money sports) in my Citadel lifetime (knob year (1984) to present):
BB:  Les Robinson--Not a grad
Baseball:  Chal Port (IMO)--Not a grad
FB:  Charlie Taaffe--Not a grad

If you throw in the current wrestling coach with his history of developing some AAs....same thing--Not a grad.

Don't get me wrong I love the school and our grads, but the alumni get liquored up on the "hire a grad to understand the Corps" narrative.  We had a serious fraction in the alumni with the last FB hire (Norwich grad O-coordinator vs Citadel grad D-coordinator), but thus far it looks as though AD made a fine choice. 

Coaches at El Cid don't have to be grads, but they DO have to understand the 4C system and Corps activities.  You can't sign kids to our teams saying "That cadet stuff doesn't apply to athletes."--that is a terrible misrepresentation.  If you get a good coach who is also a graduate (BB coach Ed Conroy comes to mind)--doubly good, but the school's athletics programs should not also be a jobs programs for graduates. 


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Chris Swauger is definitely interested and would do a great job of inserting a positive and upbeat culture that we are desperately needing. He's under contract so CIT would need to be granted permission to interview. Those who say it's ok to hire outside the family have not been apart of the "family" to understand the importance it contributes to the overall tradition.
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Well, with all due respect, if someone can't understand the importance of "the family" because said person is outside "the family", it's kind of a closed circle, isn't it?
 


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Chris Swauger is definitely interested and would do a great job of inserting a positive and upbeat culture that we are desperately needing. He's under contract so CIT would need to be granted permission to interview. Those who say it's ok to hire outside the family have not been apart of the "family" to understand the importance it contributes to the overall tradition.
  Chris Swauger might be the best candidate and if he is and he wants the job.....give him the job.  If he is beaten out by a better candidate who is not a grad....so be it.  It's OK to hire outside the family. 
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Chris Swauger is definitely interested and would do a great job of inserting a positive and upbeat culture that we are desperately needing. He's under contract so CIT would need to be granted permission to interview. Those who say it's ok to hire outside the family have not been apart of the "family" to understand the importance it contributes to the overall tradition.


Interesting comment. Do you mean The Citadel family or The Citadel Baseball family specifically? During my son's recent tenure as a cadet, I observed cadet company "families" having priority over The Citadel family as a whole - and I believe that to be quite unhealthy.
I think all alumni certainly understand the overall tradition concept, but that should not take precedent over success - see previous comments regarding coaches Port, Robinson, Houston, Thompson.

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Interesting comment. Do you mean The Citadel family or The Citadel Baseball family specifically? During my son's recent tenure as a cadet, I observed cadet company "families" having priority over The Citadel family as a whole - and I believe that to be quite unhealthy. I think all alumni certainly understand the overall tradition concept, but that should not take precedent over success - see previous comments regarding coaches Port, Robinson, Houston, Thompson.


Agree wholeheartedly with TrueBlue88 !!!!

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The whole "It takes a grad to understand The Citadel" narrative is nonsense. Look at the Citadel athletes who have washed out over the past 10 years for disciplinary reasons, HV's, academic deficiency or those who simply decided The Citadel wasn't for them. I would say most of them have come from the baseball program.  Fred recruited a hell of a lot of guys who simply didn't fit at The Citadel.  More than any other coach, Fred was the guy who took the "cadet first, athlete second" approach.

The non-grad coaches in football, track & field, wrestling and other sports have done a much better job of recruiting the right kind of cadet/athlete to The Citadel.

You'll always find a few bad apples, but in the baseball program the problems have been numerous and systemic.

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I've watched probably a couple of hundred of Cid games the last ten or so years.  The biggest problem that I foresee for the new coach is retaining existing talent.  To do that, the coach must make the "Citadel Experience" more enjoyable.  I've seen players come here from high school loving baseball and in a few years here hating it.  What went wrong?

There's a lack of upperclassmen leadership on the team each year because fewer are available.  A mid-major team has no chance to compete unless it is able to retain players for all four years.  If you look at Coastal they won the National Championship with senior leadership and talent.  Fred lost at least four starters last year that could have made a huge difference in wins/losses this year.  No team at this level can recover from that.  Those players made a bad decision that cost them and the team.  How do you keep that from happening again?

The new coach must find and convince players in "his system".  If players don't buy into the coach's philosophy they won't stay around long.  Coach Reames has the SoCon pitcher of the year three of the last five years so he's doing something right but there are far too many fielding errors and low batting avgs. to consistently win.  We hardly ever win on Sunday and usually play lousy.  What's that tell you about the player's mindset?

But I'll say again the coach's are good men and I hate to see anyone fail but that's the way this game goes.  It's just not working and it was the right time for a change.  It's sad for Fred but the player's also deserve a change.


 
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