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elcid123

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Do the math here as it is very simple.  Look when Mcdonnel and Lemonis left as Jordan's ACs.  Now look at when we quit being competitive.   Look at the programs they took over and where they are now.  It has very little to do with coaching and everything to do with recruiting or lack of.  Our football team is a prime example.  Higgins recruits were far superior to Powers and Houstons possibly even better than Higgins.  I am sure most these guys are great coaches, but it is more about recruiting than actually the coaching.  You only need about 6-8 a year in baseball.


The best example is Clemson football. I am not sold on their staff being the best coaches in the country but they sure as heck get the best players each year.
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"Great players make great coaches"....Roy Williams


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Kyle Bunn '99, pitching coach at IU since 2014 & Associate HC since 2016,  needs to be on the "short list" of potential HC candidates.


http://iuhoosiers.com/coaches.aspx?rc=1438&path=baseball


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You know everyone has been getting their shots in for a while. There's a pack of you on here that got your wish and Coach Jordan is gone. 

123 you reference Mac and Lemonis. Fair point about their recruiting prowess. If you can hold Coach Jordan responsible for not getting equal replacements to these two, then shouldn't you give him credit for recognizing the talents that Mac and Lemonis are, and giving them their 1st coaching jobs? I don't see how you all can have it both ways. Either give him credit for both sides or please let it be. Tell you what why don't one of you smart guys on here find a way to get in touch with Mac and Lemonis. Once you get them on the horn start in your rant and see what comes back at you on the other end of the receiver. Bet you won't be told how smart you are. To think Coach Jordan had no impact on the wins during his tenure is pretty ridiculous. Go ahead. Get ahold of Mac or Lemonis. They'll tell you.

Also any thought to holding the assistants that replaced them accountable for the drop off? I see them being bantered about as the next head coach. Really? Recruiting dropped off. The assistants are the main recruiters. Fairly the head coach has to hold them accountable so he has blood on his hands as well. He resigned today. But some of you think the current assistants are the answer in reviving the program? 

The comment about not "thanking the alumni and fans." Coach Jordan did send a personal letter through a blast email to all Diamond Dogs Club members today. It was a really heartfelt thank you to the corps of folks that this year raised $100,000.00 to improve locker room facilities and supplement the budget of the program. And the group has probably pumped a $1/2 million into baseball in its short existence. But nice job nit picking someones resignation release at a time when they probably can't think straight. BTW how many of you on here swinging the hammer bashing, day in and day out, have ever financially supported the baseball program or even attended a game? 

Knowing when to go is tough. Lot's of times in life you're dependent on the folks working for you to get it done. But at the end of the day we all have to be accountable for our performance. When we're leaders we are accountable for our direct reports performance as well. It's a sad day. As Gen. Watts once said to the corps in a speech. "Any time someone falls short of their goals...it's not something to be celebrated." Jim Senter had to move in a different direction. Sad but understandable. 

I feel for Jim Senter in a way. Baseball is the #2 sport on campus behind football. It's the only program on our campus, besides maybe wrestling and rifle, that has a legitimacy of being for the most part competitive and a long list of championships. It's not in a 1-AA division either. The road to success means you have to compete with the big boys multiple times a year. It's not play the big boys once a year, get a big check, and it have little to no effect on whether you win championships. Less Brent Thompson this will be the most important decision Senter makes since arriving. The Citadel is a unique place and, like football, you have to have a unique approach in order to be successful. I wish Jim the best. I wish our program's future the best. I also wish this board had a better baseball IQ.



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Hustle that was very well written, wish I could have written it.  The last few years have been tough but I never doubted for a moment that he understood baseball and wanted the best for his college and his players.
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Favorite Freddie moments.

The runs Fred made in the SoCon tourney when we hosted it were great times. At that time I always said I wish the football team played with as much swagger as the baseball team. We were bullys! What a great tourney when Rodney Hancock's team beat CofC with their Charleston native pitcher, the FU coach now. Or that time Justin Smith came in as a freshman and locked down the final game of the tourney. Or when Phillip Hartig was blasting homers or McPherson doing double duty. Or.

When the Furman and Citadel benches almost cleared at home one year and Freddie came roaring out of the dugout.

All-time Favorite Freddie moment was when he would get the team on the base path in the 7th or 8th inning and give them a pep talk and then the boys would come roaring back. I always wondered what he had told them to get them that excited.

Another one was that tourney game in Greenville when Wojo started after his injury and pitched a gem. Freddie was so pumped and Wojo's mother was in tears.

Thanks for the memory's Freddie!




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Fred thanks for dropping in to take out your frustration on this crowd. Now go get that golf game in shape
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With regards to travel ball...

My understanding is that what The Citadel's baseball program historically did very well was identify and recruit kids (particularly instate) who were overlooked by larger programs. We can all think of a long list of players, often from smaller towns in South Carolina, who didn't get a second glance from USC-Columbia/Clemson/etc. because of size or similar factors, but who wound up as stars or key cogs on outstanding baseball teams at The Citadel.

Those bigger schools didn't see some of those guys enough to realize what they could bring to the table.

With travel ball, there are very few secrets anymore. A kid with talent is liable to be spotted at a showcase by any number of schools, and yes, there is also more competition these days at the so-called "mid-major" level of college baseball.

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You know everyone has been getting their shots in for a while. There's a pack of you on here that got your wish and Coach Jordan is gone. 

I disagree. I believe members of TLOD simply want the program to return to significance and most everyone hoped Fred could do so. Unfortunately, the record speaks for itself.

The comment about not "thanking the alumni and fans." Coach Jordan did send a personal letter through a blast email to all Diamond Dogs Club members today. It was a really heartfelt thank you to the corps of folks that this year raised $100,000.00 to improve locker room facilities and supplement the budget of the program. And the group has probably pumped a $1/2 million into baseball in its short existence. But nice job nit picking someones resignation release at a time when they probably can't think straight. BTW how many of you on here swinging the hammer bashing, day in and day out, have ever financially supported the baseball program or even attended a game? 



You call me out, so I'll reply. When living in Charleston, I attended as many games as I could (considering I was in the military at the time). Now in the upstate (20+ years), I attend most every game in the area and make a point of getting to Riley Park a couple of times a year. As far as financial support, I choose to give mine to The Citadel Foundation and The Brigadier Club rather than any particular sport. I suppose that isn't enough to justify an "insiders" correspondence, so I'm glad the baseball specific financial supporters received their due regards. If you'd like to discuss total support over the years, please send me a private message and we can meet for lunch sometime to do so. I don't see any "day in and day out" bashing. If anything, the baseball discussions here have been essentially nonexistent since mid-season.

Hustle, thanks for joining TLOD. Glad to have more involvement here. Hope you'll return in the future. I'd like to offer you a steak at our tailgate this fall.

It's an emotional time. Let's not act like klimpsin fans on a losing Sunday morning. Go Dogs!

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Fred thanks for dropping in to take out your frustration on this crowd. Now go get that golf game in shape


Is this the Booby Mebane clown my buddies warned me about before I joined?

Look it Booby. Fred has a fantastic family and friends. He doesn't even know that clowns like you exist.

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1.  Fred had a GREAT run for about 15 years.  Did a TERRIFIC job through the 90s & early 2000s and continued Chal Port's legacy.

2.  Hung on a bit too long;  Probably should have left 3-4 years ago.

3.  He did what we all asked:  Announced his retirement at seasons end.

4.  Too bad it had to end with the downward spiral that this program experienced the last few years.

5. Time to thank him for all he did for ther baseball program and The Citadel, and move on.

6.  A new CHAMPIONSHIP era of Citadel baseball is about to begin;  May take 3 - 4 years.

  

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It is amazing to think that we have only had two coaches in 50 years, I doubt that has been matched at many schools, but I will defer that fact to Spike. 
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Of course it seems logical that Reames should get a shot, would be helpful to have someone who knows the school


Just cant see Admin hiring Britt over Beck when Beck is Associate HC and has been here 16 years. The only thing Britt brings over Beck is he's a former major league player. Just my opinion...
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Based on the football hire I don't think a grad has a better chance than a non grad.  I would definitely give ANY grad who has interest and is qualified a look/interview, but ultimately get someone who has a history of being a HC and winning titles.   Most successful coaches are successful no matter what school they run the show.  Saban- Holtz- Houston-Miles-McDonald-Tanner-Patino-Etc.

Most of these guys have won at every place they have coached....many of the schools they took over were at or near the bottom when they arrived....even Saban at AL!

If we can win titles in FB no excuse as to why we can't do the same in BB. 
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As a classmate, it hurts to see Fred go out on a losing run, and frankly, it hurt to see some of the posts that were going on here over the last couple of months.  Yeah, we haven't won in a while, and the program had seen better days.  I just think though that some comments were over the top while calling for his departure, to the point of being mean spirited.  I figured folks could talk about him leaving without getting harsh about it, but that's just me.

We all know that Fred Jordan didn't wake up every day and think well, go make the doughnuts, and if we lose great, if we don't so be it.  I am sure that every lose stung, and that the clamor for his departure didn't help.  Admittedly, much of the conversation was objective, and valid, but it got mean sometimes.

I have to say that this is a guy that won 831 games for The Citadel.  I'll say that again - 831.  399 SOCON victories.  He brought so much to this program and there aren't many coaches in this country that can fathom winning that many D1 ball games. 

He is a fellow Citadel brother, and I am proud of him.  If you're glad he's gone, so be it.  But he's always a Bulldog, and I'm glad to say he was one of ours.

Good luck Fred, and wish you great happiness in your next step.
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