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This school is getting pretty ridiculous. When they decided to get rid of knob haircuts a few months ago I thought it couldn't possibly get any worse. Now, they're essentially getting rid of cadet companies as we know it by reshuffling knobs after their first year is complete, starting in 2023.
It doesn't seem to matter who's in a position of leadership because we have Citadel grads on staff that are allowing this crap to happen. Can something other than not putting money back into the school be done? I like taking my boys with me to the games but moves like this make me question if I even want to have any involvement with this school anymore or raise my boys in a manner that would have them lean towards enrolling when they're in age. And even if I decided to stop taking my family with me to the sporting events, is the school even going to notice or care? I'm guessing no. Something drastic needs to happen. I wouldn't consider it overboard to call for a complete purge of the BOV and start from scratch.
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They should not have thrown those water bottles at the csu game.
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Seems a couple of years ago the Corps implemented a policy of weekly shaved heads for Male knobs. That is what was discontinued. Male knobs go back to the initial head shave as we did; however, female knobs will NOT be required to have their hair cut to a specific length but rather must have their hair "put up" to Army standard. __________________ LTC (Ret.)
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Knobs have had year-round head shaves for a lot longer than a couple of years. It's been that way for atleast 20 years now.
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On matters of leadership development and training I cast my lot with the Assistant Commandant of the Marine Corps and a former navy Seal.
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Concur with walkon.
The school has implemented different methods and practices for years. To name a few: Pre-Vietnam War vs. Vietnam War vs. Post -Vietnam War ... the grads are different, the training (as described to me) was different, but they are successful Knob head shaving ... worked in my time, but wasn't that way for my dad ('75 grad) and whatever he got worked for him Recognition day change ... I have met some great recent grads that seem un-phased by this move To this issue, the school was founded with The Arsenal training knobs in Columbia and then transitioning as upperclassmen to The Citadel in Charleston. Is ths the same? Maybe not, but somewhat similar. Upperclass cadets didn't train knobs as far as I can tell in those days. I wasn't there obviously, but somehow there was a bond and a trust at that time that pushed the school to survive a War, survive Federal occupation, and ulitmately open again giving us all the opportunity to be a Citadel alum. To me, this comes to the issue that seems to be viewed as an indictment on our years or Alumni projecting our years on the years after us. Aka, The Old Corps talk. The Old Corps to me is a ghost that haunts The Citadel. It does so by bashing the younger classes often times making them feel like they are lesser cadets. It does so by passing along stories analogous to "the fish was this big" and asking cadets to compare unlike times to each other. It haunts us by thinking the things we did in the past were the best way of training leaders of tomorrow. It's great to remember our times and why they impacted our lives. The cadets of today have an environment creating similar memories having similar impacts that are just as valuable. Times change. I am not on campus and don't know the day-to-day operations and culture down (only cadets do in my opinion). This change is not an indictment on our years. It is a new look at improving the school and the legacy we all left behind. I will continue to look at the recent graduates analyzing the product. I can tell you, so far I am not disappointed. Will this change drive me to change my mind? Maybe, but if it does I will have better arguements than "what Company will new alumni salute when they graduate?" or "How can I introduce myself to other alumni?" or any other of the arguements that don't look to measure this change to our product. Are the military or civilian leaders we produce making an impact? Are we meeting the mission of The Citadel? At least it ain't Clemson. Those guys couldn't make it past the mid 1900's without throwing the baby out with the bath water. But, they have a great football team ... And that something in their hills, it is just a saying that pays tribute to a lifestyle long gone from the culture of that institution.
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Dang Biff! Well thought out and expressed essay. You get an “A”.
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As a school with an alumni base so rooted in traditions and wanting to preserve them - one of the most constant things at The Citadel has been change. Heck, we can't even hang on to a football uniform theme for more than a few years.
I've suggested to classmates before that we can constantly be in a wad over changes at The Citadel, or we can cherish what we had (and still have - a shared experience together). That experience was ours and it was special, but the kids coming through today aren't going to have it. They will have their own experiences, which will surely be as important to them as ours are to us. But it is always changing. I waste my time on way too many things already without wasting my time on being up in arms every time the knob experience changes. I do think the administration does some goofy things, and sometimes things are not well thought out. I'm usually right there with the rest of the guys criticizing them. But the Corps has weathered poor decisions for 150 years and will continue to do so. I also think The Citadel is still a unique experience, cadets are still saints and douchebags, tours are still marched, shoes are still shined, knobs are still stupid and need to be racked (more gently now), and the end product is still head and shoulders better than what clempson is putting out. __________________